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Dylan Patel: belief

3 Feb 2025 Lex Fridman Podcast #459 – DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

“I think others will keep raising money because the returns from it are going to be eventually huge once we have AGI.”

— Dylan Patel

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Dylan Patel
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belief
Recorded
3 Feb 2025
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

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…That’s the thing that I guess is not talked about with the cost, that when you’re referring to the cost of the model, it’s not just the training or the test runs, it’s the actual research, the manpower. Yeah, to do things like reasoning right now that exists. They’re going to scale it. They’re going to do a lot of research still. I think people focus on the payback question, but it’s really easy to just be like, well, GDP is humans and industrial capital. And if you can make intelligence cheap, then you can grow a lot, right? That’s the sort of dumb way to explain it. But that’s sort of what basically the investment thesis is. I think only Nvidia is actually making tons of money and other hardware vendors, the hyperscalers are all on paper making money, but in reality they’re spending a lot more on purchasing the GPUs, which you don’t know if they’re still going to make this much money on each GPU in two years, right? You don’t know if all of a sudden OpenAI goes kapoof and now Microsoft has hundreds of thousands of GPUs they were renting to OpenAI that they paid for themselves with their investment in them that no longer have a customer. This is always a possibility. I don’t believe that. I think OpenAI will keep raising money. I think others will keep raising money because the returns from it are going to be eventually huge once we have AGI. So do you think multiple companies will get, let’s assume-…

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