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Trenton Bricken: belief

28 Mar 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken — How LLMs actually think

“If we do that then we can get some interpretability of what the neuron's doing. I think we've updated that approach towards what we're doing now.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Trenton Bricken
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belief
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28 Mar 2024
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…How old were you when you wrote that? It was my first year of grad school, so 22. My next work was on sparsity in networks, inspired by sparsity in the brain, which was when I met Tristan Hume. Anthropic was doing the SoLU, the Softmax Linear Output Unit work which was very related in quite a few ways in terms of making the activation of neurons across a layer really sparse. If we do that then we can get some interpretability of what the neuron's doing. I think we've updated that approach towards what we're doing now. So that started the conversation. I shared drafts of that paper with Tristan. He was excited about it. That was basically what led me to become Tristan's resident and then convert to full-time. But during that period, I also moved as a visiting researcher to Berkeley, and started working with Bruno Olshausen, both on what's called vector symbolic architectures–one of the core operations of them is literally superposition–and on sparse coding also known as dictionary learning, which is literally what we've been doing since. Bruno Olshausen basically invented sparse coding back in 1997. So my research agenda and the interpretability team seemed to be running in parallel in research tastes. So it made a lot of sense for me to work with the team and it's been a dream since. There’s one thing I've noticed when people tell stories about their careers or their successes. They ascribe it way more to contingency, but when they hear about other people's stories they're like, “of course it wasn't contingent.” You know what I mean? “If that didn't happen, something else would have happened.” I've just noticed that and it's interesting that you both think that it was especially contingent. Maybe you're right. But it’s sort of an interesting pattern.…

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