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Andrej Karpathy: uncertainty

17 Oct 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

“I mean, come on, right? I don’t know. At some point it should take at least a billion knobs to do something interesting.”

— Andrej Karpathy

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Speaker
Andrej Karpathy
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uncertainty
Recorded
17 Oct 2025
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Right, but why is the distillation in 10 years not getting below 1 billion? Oh, you think it should be smaller than a billion? I mean, come on, right? I don’t know. At some point it should take at least a billion knobs to do something interesting. You’re thinking it should be even smaller? Yeah. If you look at the trend over the last few years of just finding low-hanging fruit and going from trillion plus models to models that are literally two orders of magnitude smaller in a matter of two years and having better performance, it makes me think the sort of core of intelligence might be even way, way smaller. Plenty of room at the bottom, to paraphrase Feynman.…

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