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Matt MacInnis: evaluation

28 Dec 2025 Lenny's Podcast 10 contrarian leadership truths every leader needs to hear | Matt MacInnis (Rippling)

“The framework is super useful to evaluating people. And I think the alpha beta framework is also super useful when you come away from a conversation and you're like, "I like that guy.”

— Matt MacInnis

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Matt MacInnis
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evaluation
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28 Dec 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Nine to go. SPOTAC isn't by itself a good top down framework, but when you're thinking about, "Oh, why did this candidate just ... Why did it not click? Why did I not like them?" You go down the list, you're like, "Oh, yeah, no, this person, it's that they were not excited about the idea. They weren't passionate." It's that they talked shit about their previous manager and that they were a victim of the performance of their last two companies. That's what it was, they're not optimistic. The framework is super useful to evaluating people. And I think the alpha beta framework is also super useful when you come away from a conversation and you're like, "I like that guy. I think he'd be really, really good. Why is it that I don't think he would do a good job on this product in particular?" And the answer is like, "This is a high alpha product area and he's a low beta person." Valuable, but definitely not the right fit for this. So I think it's really useful in that context as well. I love all these frameworks. You're speaking to this audience, framework to frameworks, frameworks.…

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