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Dwarkesh Patel: belief

12 Nov 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

“I think the better mental model here is just imagining that these models will be able to use a computer as well as a human.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Patel
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belief
Recorded
12 Nov 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…s have a model level. And then we’ll build—whether it’s in security, whether it’s in knowledge work, whether it’s in coding, or in science—our own application scaffolding, which will be model-forward. It won’t be a wrapper on a model, but the model will be wrapped into the application. I have so many questions about the other things you mentioned. But before we move onto those topics, I still wonder whether this is not forward-looking on AI capabilities, where you’re imagining models like they exist today. It takes a screenshot of your screen, but it can’t look inside each cell and what the formula is. I think the better mental model here is just imagining that these models will be able to use a computer as well as a human. A human knowledge worker who is using Excel can look into the formulas, can use alternative software, can migrate data between Office 365 and another piece of software if the migration is necessary, et cetera. That’s kind of what I’m saying.…

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