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31 Oct 2023 Dwarkesh Podcast Paul Christiano — Preventing an AI takeover

“Maybe a higher level thing that goes into both of these. And then I will talk about how you instantiate an a causal trade is just like it matters a lot to the humans not to get murdered.”

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31 Oct 2023
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Each other a lot for the audience. Can you explain the weird apostle yeah. Reasons why am I not kill us? Maybe a higher level thing that goes into both of these. And then I will talk about how you instantiate an a causal trade is just like it matters a lot to the humans not to get murdered. And the AI cares very, very little about whether if we imagine this hypothetical, the reason it wants to kill humans is just total buffy. It cares very little about whether or not to murder humans because it is so easy to marginalize humans without murdering them. And the resources required for human survival are extremely low again in the context of this rapid AI industrialization. So that's the basic setting. And now the thing that you'd like to do is run a trade. The AI would like to say, like, hey, humans, you care a ton about not getting murdered. I don't really care one way or the other. I would like to, if I could, find some way in which I don't murder you. And then in return I get something. The problem is, in that world, the humans have essentially nothing to give. That is, the humans are mostly irrelevant. However, from the perspective of any kind of reasonable AI, it's like not that sure whether it lives in the world where the humans in fact have nothing to give, or whether the humans like, in fact, it lives in a world where the humans succeeded at building a lined AI. And now the AI is simply running in a nice little simulation mission. Humans are wondering, I wonder if this AI would have murdered us all if it had the chance. And the humans saying like, if it would murder us all if it had the chance. That sucks. We'd like to run this trade. We'd like to be nice to the AIS who wouldn't have murdered us all in order to create an incentive for AIS not to murder us. So we do is we just check. And for the kinds of AIS who don't murder everyone, we just give them like 1,000,000,000th of the universe. If you do that as humanity, then if you're an AI system, considering like, do I want to murder everyone? Your calculus is like, if this is my real chance to murder everyone, I get the tiniest bit of value. I get like 1,000,000,000,000th of the value or whatever, 1,000,000,000th of the value. But on the other hand, if I don't murder everyone, there's some worlds where then the humans will correctly determine, I don't murder everyone. Because in fact, the humans survive. The humans are running the simulations to understand how different AIS would behave. And so that's a better deal. Let's hope they fall for that tie up. Okay, that's interesting. Hey, real quick. This episode is sponsored by Open Philanthropy. Open Philanthropy is one of the largest grant making organizations in the world. Every year, they give away hundreds of millions of dollars to have reduced catastrophic risks from fast moving advances in AI and biotechnology. Open Philanthropy is currently hiring for 22 different roles in those areas, including grant making, research, and operations. New hires will support Open Philanthropy's giving on technical AI safety, AI governance, AI. Policy in the US. EU and UK. And Biosecurity. Many roles are remote friendly, and most of the grant making hires that Open Philanthropy makes don't have prior grant making experience. Previous technical experience is an asset, as many of these roles often benefit from a deep understanding of the technologies they address. For more information and to apply, please visit Open Philanthropy's website in the description. The deadline to apply is November 9, so make sure to check out those rules before they close. Awesome. Back to the episode. In a world where we've been deploying these AI systems and suppose they're aligned, how hard would it be for competitors to, I don't know, cyber attack them and get them to join the other side? Are they robustly going to be aligned?…

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