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…weren't pursuing a hot max and you were still CEO of OpenAI. How could you imagine that world might have been different in terms of what OpenAI has gone on to become? What might you have done with it? I knew when I took that job, and I told them when I took that job, that like, this is like, you have me for max 90 days. The companies take on a trajectory of their own, the momentum of their own. And OpenAI is dedicated to a view of building AI that I knew wasn't the thing that I wanted to drive towards. And I think that OpenAI can still basically wants to build a great tool. And I am pro them going to do that. I just don't care. Like, it's not, it's not, I would not have stayed. I would have quit because I like, I knew my job was to find someone who wanted, the right person, the best person who wanted to run that, where the net impact of them running it was the best. And it turned out that that was Sam again. But like, but like, I am doing softmax not because I need to make a bunch of money. I'm doing softmax because I think this is the most interesting problem in the universe. And I think it's a chance to work on making the future better in a very deep way. And it's just like, people are going to build the tools. It's awesome. I'm glad people are building the tools. I just don't need to be the person doing it. And they're trying to just to crystallize the difference and that we'll get you out of here. They want to build the tools and sort of, steer it and you want to align beings or how do you crystallize? And they're trying to just to crystallize the difference and that we'll get you out of here. They want to build the tools and sort of, steer it and you want to align beings or how do you crystallize? Yeah, we want to we want to create a seed that can grow into an AI that knows, that cares about itself and others. And at first, that's going to be like an animal level of care, not a person level of care. I don't know if we can ever even get to a person level of care, right? But if to even have an AI creature that cared about the other members of its pack and the humans in its pack, the way that like a dog cares about other dogs and cares about humans, would be an incredible achievement and would be, even if it wasn't as smart as a person or even as smart as the tools are, would be very useful, a very useful thing to have. I'd love to have a digital guard dog on my computer looking out for scams, right? Like you can imagine the value of having digital living, living digital companions that are, that care about you, that aren't explicitly goal oriented. You have to tell them to do everything to do. And you can actually imagine that pairs very nicely with tools too, right? That digital being could use digital tools and and doesn't have to be super smart to use those tools effectively. I think you can get, there's a lot of synergy actually between the tool building and the more organic intelligence building. And so that's the, that is the, you know, I guess, yeah, in the limit, eventually it does become a human level intelligence. But like the company isn't like drive to human level intelligence. It's like learn how this alignment stuff works. Learn how this like theory of mind, align yourself. via care process works, use that to build things that align themselves that way, which includes like cells in your body. Like I don't think it doesn't, and we start small and we see how far we can get. I think it's a good note to wrap on. Emmett, thanks so much for coming on the podcast. Yeah, thank you for having me.…

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