Jeff Beck: belief

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…But Jeff you're an old school cognitive guy so for someone like you would you always think that in the absence or in the lieu of explicit cognitive models that we would never be able to say that these things actually had beliefs or intentions? I think that what what allows us to currently say that they don't have beliefs or intentions actually stems a lot from from our knowledge of how they actually work. Right? I, for example, have no problem concluding that you have beliefs and intentions, though it may very well be that that conclusion is drawn for the fact that I really don't know how you work. I have an intuitive feel for it. I assume you work the way I work. I have beliefs and intentions. You know, that's my perspective of myself, and so I conclude the same about you. It's it's kind of like emergence. Emergence is such a funny concept. Right? Is that there's this whole class, this whole, like, branch of the emergence literature that defines an emergent phenomenon as anything that I didn't predict. Right? Which is a remarkably anthropocentric, and I would argue ignorance based definition of of emergence. And I don't like it. That's for the for those reasons. The same sort of thing, you know, goes with, you know you know, I I think the sort of converse of that is what's going on here. It's like we know that these algorithms do not have the capability to do anything other than predict. And so we don't believe they have intentions. But something like strong emergence usually means like, you know, causal irreducibility.…

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