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Trenton Bricken: belief

28 Mar 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken — How LLMs actually think

“I think both models will still be using superposition. The claim here is that you get a very different model if you distill versus if you train from scratch and it's just more efficient, or it's just fundamentally different, in terms of performance.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Trenton Bricken
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belief
Recorded
28 Mar 2024
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…How do you interpret what's happening in distillation? I think Gwern had one of these questions on his website. Why can't you train the distilled model directly? Why is it a picture you had to project from this bigger space to a smaller space? I think both models will still be using superposition. The claim here is that you get a very different model if you distill versus if you train from scratch and it's just more efficient, or it's just fundamentally different, in terms of performance. I think the traditional story for why distillation is more efficient is during training, normally you're trying to predict this one hot vector that says, “this is the token that you should have predicted.” If your reasoning process means that you're really far off from predicting that, then I see that you still get these gradient updates that are in the right direction. But it might be really hard for you to learn to predict that in the context that you're in. What distillation does is it doesn't just have the one hot vector. It has the full readout from the larger model, all of the probabilities. So you get more signal about what you should have predicted. In some respects it's showing a tiny bit of your work too. It's not just like, “this was the answer.”…

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