Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedShane Legg: belief
26 Oct 2023 Dwarkesh Podcast Shane Legg (DeepMind Founder) — 2028 AGI, superhuman alignment, new architectures
“There is no one thing that would do it, because I think that's the nature of it.”
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- Shane Legg
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- 26 Oct 2023
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…Going back to the original question of how do you measure when human level AI has arrived or has gone beyond it. As you mentioned, there's these other sorts of benchmarks you can use and other sorts of traits, but concretely, what would it have to do for you to be like, “Okay, we've reached human level.” Would it have to beat Minecraft from start to finish? Would it have to get 100% on MMLU? What would it have to do? There is no one thing that would do it, because I think that's the nature of it. It's about general intelligence. So I'd have to make sure it could do lots and lots of different things and it didn't have a gap. We already have systems that can do very impressive categories of things to human level or even beyond. I would want a whole suite of tests that I felt was very comprehensive and then furthermore, when people come in and say, “Okay, so it's passing a big suite of tests, let's try to find examples. Let's take an adversarial approach to this. Let's deliberately try to find examples where people can clearly, typically do this, but the machine fails.” And when those people cannot succeed, I'll go, “Okay, we're probably there.” A lot of your earlier research, at least the ones I could find, emphasized that AI should be able to manipulate and succeed in a variety of open-ended environments. It almost sounds like a video game. Is that where your head is still at now, or do you think about it differently?…
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