Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedIlya Sutskever: belief
25 Nov 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Ilya Sutskever — We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research
“I think eventual convergence on the technical approach is probably going to happen as well, but I was alluding to convergence to the alignment strategies.”
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- Ilya Sutskever
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- belief
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- 25 Nov 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…But something in your model implies that when the correct solution does emerge, there will be convergence between all the companies. I’m curious why you think that’s the case. I was talking more about convergence on their alignment strategies. I think eventual convergence on the technical approach is probably going to happen as well, but I was alluding to convergence to the alignment strategies. What exactly is the thing that should be done? I just want to better understand how you see the future unrolling. Currently, we have these different companies, and you expect their approach to continue generating revenue but not get to this human-like learner. So now we have these different forks of companies. We have you, we have Thinking Machines, there’s a bunch of other labs. Maybe one of them figures out the correct approach. But then the release of their product makes it clear to other people how to do this thing.…
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