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Andrew Ambrosino: evaluation

28 Jun 2026 Lenny's Podcast OpenAI Codex lead on the new shape of product work | Andrew Ambrosino

“There's some convergence, there's some fluidity that is being introduced that I think is refreshing and great, especially for people with agency that want to be able to just do the thing that needs to get done.”

— Andrew Ambrosino

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Andrew Ambrosino
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evaluation
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28 Jun 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Yes. I don't know. I think they're all very different. I think the things that make it tough for one person make it easy for others. There's a lot. There's so much, so many takes on this and this triad, what's going to happen with this triad? Designers are done or should designers code? Are PMs cooked? Do we not need engineers anymore because PMs are going to write all the code? Or are designers going to PM now? And everybody's cooked and everybody's so back. And I don't know. There's some convergence, there's some fluidity that is being introduced that I think is refreshing and great, especially for people with agency that want to be able to just do the thing that needs to get done. And at the same time, like we talked about, there are some things that shouldn't go away. But I think people should find the stuff that's worth working on and go figure out what to do on those things. That is a beautiful way to end it. Andrew, thank you so much for being here.…

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