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28 Oct 2025 Conversations with Tyler Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era
“I don’t know what the numbers are now, but the per capita rate of murder of police when I was working on this stuff 15 years ago was considerably lower than a 25-year-old Black man in a ghetto who was not a police officer.”
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…How dangerous is it to work as police in South Africa if they’re not going to a lot of the crimes and the troubled situations? Is it, in some ways, a safe job? Or is it still very dangerous? I don’t know what the numbers are now, but the per capita rate of murder of police when I was working on this stuff 15 years ago was considerably lower than a 25-year-old Black man in a ghetto who was not a police officer. So, they were safer than the people they were policing. And during the transition from apartheid, what mistakes do you think were made with policing and police forces? What would you have done differently, with the benefit of hindsight?…
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