Sarah Saab: belief

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…Yeah. That was rock 4. Yeah. So all the all the maxings in the world are a little bit besides the point, you know? We want we want systems that feel good to interact with. And I think that that, you know, that's about sort of human society and people and and and systems and thinkers pressing on each other. So I was a cognitive science student a very long time ago, and we thought so long and hard about the Turing test. We debated for hours and hours about the Turing test, and we really just thought that that was a frontier we would never never touch, which is so interesting looking back. And obviously, personally, I then put that to bed, you know, finish finish finish my university career, put that to bed, went into product management for a very long time, and then almost looked out the window in 2023 and the moment had passed us by. And also, all of the questions of minds and machines that had preoccupied us in those early days are back on the table in industry, which is so interesting. Industry as well seems not to have the orientation by default to be tackling those problems from first principles. Although we are getting much better at the cross functional collaboration between researchers, academics, industry people, public bodies, and it's just such a very interesting point in, I think, the history of science and the future of science. 1 thing that strikes me, and Tim, I said this to you, is that we're dealing with software and product and algorithm problems, but if you scratch just a little bit too deep, we're dealing with the central problems of being human, the central philosophical problems of being human. Every single question leads us to a central philosophical problem of being human. And I just think that's just very neat and scary at the same time. You probably didn't think 20 years ago when you were working under Andy Clark, the famous philosopher. Huge I'm I'm I'm…

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