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Shawn Wang: belief

8 Jan 2026 Latent Space Artificial Analysis: Independent LLM Evals as a Service — with George Cameron and Micah-Hill Smith

“I think one of the openness questions from this year was people messing with the license.”

— Shawn Wang

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Shawn Wang
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belief
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8 Jan 2026
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Latent Space

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…I mean, it’s in their interest for there to be more AI. So obviously, I think you want to push openness as having an index. Every index that you push has encoded some kind of opinion or value. Yes. I think one of the openness questions from this year was people messing with the license. And so Lama had this, like, if you have 700 million daily active users, you’re not allowed to use our model or you have to talk to us, something like that. So basically, like, what are your customers telling you about the kind of licensing worries that they have? Right. Because obviously, most people will never hit 700 million users. We have like a detailed breakdown of that in the openness index. And that was actually one of the initial questions that took us down the route of wanting to... Do this. Because, yeah, the simplest thing that, like, our opinion is, is that there is a lot of advantage to having, like, an official OSI license like MIT or Apache 2, because then the box is just checked. You don’t even need to read it because it’s just Apache 2 and you can do it ever you want and it’s fine. There are often very good reasons that companies don’t want to release language models with those completely open licenses. The index tells you. So if you get the top category, that’s one of those licenses. You’re totally good. And then... And then we’ve got some lower categories for when attribution is required and then when commercial use is not allowed. Yeah, they’re there.…

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