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Jung Chang: belief

29 Nov 2023 Dwarkesh Podcast Jung Chang (Wild Swans author) — Living through history's largest man-made famine

“I mean, talking about people in the West, not just the academics, but many other people, completely irrational. And I think maybe in their eagerness to find an alternative to Western capitalist democracy.”

— Jung Chang

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Jung Chang
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belief
Recorded
29 Nov 2023
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Just the complete lack of sense here. It would honestly be a joke if obviously you didn't know it led to 40 million deaths. But the thing is, in the West, I indirectly know somebody who was a steel magnate, a great steel producer, and he thought Mao's backyard furnaces were a brilliant idea. I mean, talking about people in the West, not just the academics, but many other people, completely irrational. And I think maybe in their eagerness to find an alternative to Western capitalist democracy. So say more about that. I know we did touch on that earlier when we were discussing why are people still defending Mao, but what motivated at the time and even still now, people were so disillusioned with Western capitalism that they thought they would rather have Mao.…

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