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20 Jul 2025 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic co-founder on quitting OpenAI, AGI predictions, $100M talent wars, 20% unemployment, and the nightmare scenarios keeping him up at night | Ben Mann
“I work on product at Anthropic and product engineering, and we build things like Claude Code and Model Context Protocol, and a lot of the other stuff that people use every day. And that's really important because without an economic engine for our company to work on, and without being in people's hands all over the world, we won't have the mind policy influence and revenue to fund our future safety research and have the kind of influence that we need to have.”
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…Wow. What fulfilling work. For folks that are inspired with this? I imagine you're hiring for folks to help you with this. Maybe just share that in case folks are like, what can I do here? Yes. I think 80,000 hours is the best guidance on this for a really detailed look into what do we need to make the field better? But a common misconception I see is that in order to have impact here, you have to be an AI researcher. I personally actually don't do AI research anymore. I work on product at Anthropic and product engineering, and we build things like Claude Code and Model Context Protocol, and a lot of the other stuff that people use every day. And that's really important because without an economic engine for our company to work on, and without being in people's hands all over the world, we won't have the mind policy influence and revenue to fund our future safety research and have the kind of influence that we need to have. If you work on product, if you work in finance, if you work in food, people here have to eat. If you're a chef, we need all kinds of people. Awesome. Even if you're not working directly on the AI safety team, you're having an impact on moving things in the right direction. By the way, X risk is short for existential risk. In case folks haven't heard that term. I have a few random questions along these lines and then I want to zoom out again. You mentioned this idea of AI being aligned using its model, like reinforcing itself. You have this term RLAIF. Is that what that describes?…
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