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Mike Conover: belief

11 Jun 2024 Latent Space How AI is eating Finance — with Mike Conover of Brightwave

“I mean, we've talked a little bit about this, and it's notable that I think there's a lot of anthropomorphizing going on, and that it reflects the difficulty of evaluating the systems.”

— Mike Conover

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Mike Conover
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belief
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11 Jun 2024
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Latent Space

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…Yeah, and people always try to turn LLMs into humans. It's like, oh, this is my reviewer, this is my editor. I know you're not in that camp. So any thoughts you have on how people should think about, yeah, how to refer to models? I mean, we've talked a little bit about this, and it's notable that I think there's a lot of anthropomorphizing going on, and that it reflects the difficulty of evaluating the systems. Is it like, does the saying that you're the journal editor for Nature, does that help? Like you've got the editor, and then you've got the reviewer and you've got the, you're the private investigator. It's like, this is, I think, literally we wave our hands and we say, maybe if I tell you that I'm gonna tip you, that's gonna help. And it sort of seems to, and like maybe it's just like the more cycles, the more compute that is attached to the prompt and then the sort of like chain of thought at inference time, it's like, maybe that's all that we're really doing and that it's kind of like hidden compute. But our experience has been that you can get really, really high quality reasoning from roughly an agentic system without needing to be too cute about it. You can describe the task and within well-defined bounds, you don't need to treat the LLM like a person in order to get it to generate high quality outputs. And the other thing is like all these agent frameworks are assuming everything is an LLM.…

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