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14 Mar 2024 Lex Fridman Podcast #418 – Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris
“The British and the Arabs and the Haganah agreed on it at the beginning. Because the Red Cross, I think was the one that first put out that number.”
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…Well, lay it all out. Lay it out. You do talk quickly. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. My future book should interest you guys. What are you working on? No, it’s not working on, it’s actually going to come out. It deals with Israeli and Arab atrocities, war crimes I call them in the ’48 war. Really? That’s the book, just deals with that subject. Because I know you’ve also talked about the closure of the archives and stuff. Well, it’s marginal. It deals with that as well. But they have tried to seal off documents, which had already used and seen. Now they don’t let people see them. That’s happened. But it’s marginal in terms of its effect on- Were the British archives useful for you, for this new book? Yeah. Well, for this list it’s mostly Israeli archives. The British and the Americans and the UN did deal with these subjects, but not as well as Israeli documents. What’s your casualty count for Deir Yassin? It’s about a hundred. I think there’s agreement on that by Israelis and Arabs, 100-105. Because before they were- They used to say 245 or 254. Those were the figures. The British and the Arabs and the Haganah agreed on it at the beginning. Because the Red Cross, I think was the one that first put out that number. I don’t remember. Maybe it was, what’s his name? Jacques de Rainier or maybe, yeah, maybe he came up with that number. But it was just they didn’t count. They didn’t count bodies. They just threw the number out and everybody was happy to blame the Irgun and the Lehi for killing more Arabs than actually- Well, and they put it to good use as well. Well, they said that it helped to precipitate more evacuations. So they were happy. I think Begin in his memoir [inaudible 03:28:33]. Yeah. Yeah. They also use that number. So first of all, thank you for that heated discussion about the present. I would love to go back into history in a way that informs what we can look for as by way of hope for the future. So when has Israel and Palestine have we been closest to something like a peace settlement, to something that where both sides would be happy and enable the flourishing of both peoples?…
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