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Usama Bin Shafqat: belief

25 Oct 2024 Latent Space How NotebookLM Was Made

“I think while building this product, some of the other experiments, there were phases where it was easy to think that you've approached it.”

— Usama Bin Shafqat

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Usama Bin Shafqat
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Claim type
belief
Recorded
25 Oct 2024
Publisher
Latent Space

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…Okay, if I had to pick one, it's just always be building. Build things yourself. I think for PMs, it's such a critical skill. And just take time to pop your head up and see what else is new out there. On the weekends, I try to have a lot of discipline. I only use ChatGPT and Cloud on the weekend. I try to use the APIs. Occasionally, I'll try to build something on GCP over the weekend because I don't do that normally at work. But it's just the rigor of just trying to be a builder yourself. And even just testing, right? You could have an idea of how a product should work and maybe your engineers are building it. But it's like, what was your proof of concept? What gave you conviction that that was the right thing? Call to action? I feel like consistently, the most magical moments out of AI building come about for me when I'm really, really, really just close to the edge of the model capability. And sometimes it's farther than you think it is. I think while building this product, some of the other experiments, there were phases where it was easy to think that you've approached it. But sometimes at that point, what you really need is to show your thing to someone and they'll come up with creative ways to improve it. We're all sort of learning, I think. So yeah, I feel like unless you're hitting that bound of this is what Gemini 1.5 can do, probably the magic moment is somewhere there, in that sort of limit. So push the edge of the capability. Yeah, totally.…

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