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21 Oct 2025 Machine Learning Street Talk Google Researcher Shows Life "Emerges From Code" - Blaise Agüera y Arcas

“The the point is that the moment you have life, meaning that you have something that can build a copy of itself, you have a general computer, which allows you to do anything.”

— Blaise Agüera y Arcas

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Blaise Agüera y Arcas
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evaluation
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21 Oct 2025
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Machine Learning Street Talk

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…David Krakauer said to me that, I mean, you know, we can agree that intelligence, I mean, he says it's an adaptivity inference and representation. Adaptivity is very important. So, yes, DNA is is adaptive, but it's very slow. And he was saying that the nervous system and the brain is evolution at light speed because it allows us to kind of overcome the information transfer with successive generations. So does it make sense to think of the program of intelligence at the DNA level when so much of the adaptivity seems to be happening higher up? A lot of the adaptivity very much happens higher up. So, you know, in humans we have cultural evolution which goes, you know, as as David says, at light speed relative to genetic evolution. You know, when I say that that, you know, DNA is a is a Turing tape and that, you know, ribosomes are universal computers that construct life, that's really only the ground level. Or maybe it's level 1 or level 2. I mean, there's physics underneath that. But there are there's a level 3, a level 4, a level 5, and so on. There are computers built out of computers built out computers. The thing about it is that once you have that ground level, then then you can build as many as many floors above that as you like. The the point is that the moment you have life, meaning that you have something that can build a copy of itself, you have a general computer, which allows you to do anything. And what that means is that life from the very beginning, is computational and can start to compute in parallel. This gets us into symbiogenesis, which I guess we'll we'll cover in a bit. The fact that that ground floor is computational answers the question, you know, why are brains computational? It's because cells were computational from long before. There were action potentials and other fast fast electrical processes allowing us to think. Can you speak to this notion of recursion that you were just pointing to? So Carl Friston, for example, he he thinks about this division in systems called a Markov blanket, like a statistical independence. And we seem to observe empirically that complex intelligent adaptive systems have nesting. And you were just kind of speaking to having levels upon levels upon levels. And what does that buy you? Is is is it a kind of recursion? How how does that in improve the sophistication of the intelligence?…

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