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Satya Nadella: evaluation

19 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Satya Nadella — Microsoft’s AGI plan & quantum breakthrough

“Except, of course, we missed what turned out to be the biggest business model on the web, because we all assumed the web is all about being distributed, who would have thought that search would be the biggest winner in organizing the web?”

— Satya Nadella

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Satya Nadella
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19 Feb 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…When you think about which decisions ended up being the long-term winners in the 80s and 90s, and which ones didn't, and especially when you think about- you were at Sun Microsystems, they had an interesting experience with the 90s dotcom bubble. People talk about this data center build-out as being a bubble, but at the same time, we have the Internet today as a result of what was built out then. What are the lessons about what will stand the test of time? What is an inherent secular trend? What is just ephemeral? If I go back, the four big transformations that I've been part of, the client and the client-server. So that's the birth of the graphical user interface and the x86 architecture, basically allowing us to build servers. It was very clear to me. I remember going to what is PDC in '91, in fact I was at Sun at that time. In '91, I went to Moscone. That's when Microsoft first described the Win32 interface and it was pretty clear to me what was going to happen, where the server was also going to be an x86 thing. When you have the scale advantages accruing to something, that's the secular bet you have to place. What happened in the client was going to happen on the server side, and then you were able to actually build client-server applications. So, the app model became clear. Then the web was the big thing for us, which we had to deal with in starting, in fact as soon as I joined Microsoft, the Netscape browser or the Mosaic browser came out what, I think, December or November of '93, right? I think is when Andreessen and crew had that. So that was a big game-changer, in an interesting way, just as we were getting going on what was the client-server wave, and it was clear that we were going to win it as well. We had the browser moment, and so we had to adjust. And we did a pretty good job of adjusting to it because the browser was a new app model. We were able to embrace it with everything we did, whether it was HTML in Word or building a new thing called the browser ourselves and competing for it, and then building a web server on our server stack and go after it. Except, of course, we missed what turned out to be the biggest business model on the web, because we all assumed the web is all about being distributed, who would have thought that search would be the biggest winner in organizing the web? And so that's where we obviously didn't see it, and Google saw it and executed super well. So that's one lesson learned for me: you have to not only get the tech trend right, you also have to get where the value is going to be created with that trend. These business model shifts are probably tougher than even the tech trend changes. Where is the value going to be created in AI?…

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