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Published · transcript-backedRecommends The Purpose Driven Church.
2 Aug 2026 Lenny's Podcast This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot)
“the best book anyone's ever recommended to me to read, which I now recommend to others, is The Purpose Driven Church by a pastor called Rick Warren.”
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- Tom Verrilli
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- 2 Aug 2026
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…Yeah. Yeah. So that's why these are so useful just for people to see here's how a team is operating and what they've learned, and here's things to try and it may not work for you. But this is how we learn from each other. With that, we have reached a very exciting lightning round. I've got five questions for you. All right, here we go. What are two or three books that you find yourself recommending most to other people? Okay. Not to be cliched, but The Hard Thing about Hard Things I still think is the best book written about product management, just from a breadth of things that you have to go through and try and do and screw up a lot. Slightly left field, but the best book anyone's ever recommended to me to read, which I now recommend to others, is The Purpose Driven Church by a pastor called Rick Warren. Emmett Shear, the CEO at Twitch, used to basically make sure that people read it. It's this wild examination of why people emotionally invest in something and how to engineer emotional investment into it from a group of people. It's literally a how to go and build a church guidebook written in the '90s. Definitely worth a read if you're in a community product of any form. And the last one is if you're looking for fiction or fantasy, which is where I tend to go in the evening, Babel by R.F. Kuang. I love when books have never been mentioned before get added to the canon of recommended books.…
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