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Satya Nadella: belief

19 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Satya Nadella — Microsoft’s AGI plan & quantum breakthrough

“We think that no society cares about it, right? There can be rogue actors, I'm not saying there won't be rogue actors; there are cyber criminals and rogue states; they're going to be there.”

— Satya Nadella

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Satya Nadella
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belief
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19 Feb 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Yes. Well, there's a lot of societies in the world, and I wonder if any one of them might not have a legal system that might be more amenable. And if you can't have a takeoff, then you might worry. It doesn't have to happen in America, right? We think that no society cares about it, right? There can be rogue actors, I'm not saying there won't be rogue actors; there are cyber criminals and rogue states; they're going to be there. But to think that human society at large doesn't care about it is also not going to be true. I think we all will care. We know how to deal with rogue states and rogue actors today. The world doesn't sit around and say “we’ll tolerate that”. That's why I'm glad that we have a world order in which anyone who is a rogue actor in a rogue state has consequences. Right. But if you have this picture where you can have 10% economic growth, I think it really depends on getting something like AGI working, because tens of trillions of dollars of value, that sounds closer to the total of human wages, around $60 trillion of the economy. Getting that magnitude, you kind of have to automate labor or supplement labor in a very significant way. If that is possible, and once we figure out the legal ramifications for it, it seems quite plausible, even within your tenure that we figure that out. Are you thinking about superhuman intelligence? Like, the biggest thing you do in your career is this?…

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