Gokul Rajaram: evaluation

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…That's awesome advice. Yeah, I think that's going to be I think infrastructure is a great example. I think Stripe, for example, is famous for not hiring PMs because I think when your audience is developers, they know their audience really well. And so I think many DevOps and developer-facing companies, they don't have that many PMs. The PM to engineering ratio is very small. Even in Stripe today, I bet it's much smaller than other companies. So those are exceptions where engineers truly understand the domain better. So the machine learning companies, infrastructure companies generally, I think, need fewer PMs. And this is true for any consumer product company also. I bet Airbnb's infrastructure team had zero PMs or very few PMs because they are serving other engineers. So I think those products, I think you need much fewer PMs than consumer-facing products. This episode is brought to you by Product Board. Product leaders trust Product Board to help their teams build product that matter. From startups to industry titans, over 6,000 companies rely on Product Board to get the right products to market faster, including companies like Zoom, Volkswagen, UiPath, and Vanguard. Product Board can help you create a scalable, transparent, and standardized process so your PMs understand what their customers really need and then prioritize the right features to build next. Stakeholders feel the love too with an easy-to-view roadmap that automatically updates so everyone knows what you're building and why. Make data-driven product decisions that result in higher revenue and user adoption and empower your product teams to create delightful customer experiences. Visit productboard.com to learn more. Yeah, I have a post where I have a whole table of how long companies waited before they got their first PM. I think Snapchat had like 200 people also, but I think it's because their designers basically played the role of the PM.…

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