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Lazar Jovanovic: recommendation

8 Feb 2026 Lenny's Podcast The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder)

“The hostings, the security, the email, the connectors, the APIs, the whatnots. So I think there's going to be room for it, but I'm also on the boat of people like, if I had an 18-year-old brother and he asked me what should I do, I would tell him, "Hey, go become a plumber.”

— Lazar Jovanovic

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Lazar Jovanovic
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8 Feb 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…While we're on this topic, what's your sense of just engineering as a function? Do you feel like there will be a future where software engineers are still a thing? Do you feel like that goes away based on your experience? It never goes away. We will need elite engineering more than ever. Because let me tell you this. In a world where everybody builds and everybody's building everything, who's doing the maintenance, right? Obtaining code bases, scaling code bases, maintaining projects, they're still going to be a thing definitely. And obviously, AI is going to be good at this, but again, that requires a different level of skills. Right? It's one skill to build something, it's a completely different set of skills to expand it, extend it and maintain it. And not to mention that in a world where everybody's building, infrastructure suffers. Right? Like, we all know and experienced Cloudflare went down two or three times in the last two or three months, the whole internet goes down. Elite engineers are the ones fixing this. Lovable experiences massive amounts of influx of new users. Infrastructure there suffers. Elite engineers are the ones building the infrastructure to hold the fort. Right? So I think we're going to need a lot of people with really good skills of like, "Hey, who actually builds the world that needs to support billions of builders now?" Because everybody's going to want to learn how to build stuff. How do we teach them? How do we maintain everything that they need? The hostings, the security, the email, the connectors, the APIs, the whatnots. So I think there's going to be room for it, but I'm also on the boat of people like, if I had an 18-year-old brother and he asked me what should I do, I would tell him, "Hey, go become a plumber. Don't go and get a CS degree. Learn a good trade." Because the new generation of millionaires in the US are actually electricians and plumbers and whatnot. Right? So it's a balancing act, I'd say. I don't know. I do still think that good engineers with good sense of understanding where the future is going are always going to be needed and scarce. Such an interesting question. I think to your point, there's definitely going to be, people need to keep building the machines that power all this stuff. Will we need engineers to build actual products, the application layer? That's the question. Is everyone going to be like you? Are designers just going to be all we need?…

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