Nathan Labenz: belief

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…To some extent, like that's just always true, right? Economies are always changing, sectors are always growing and shrinking, and there's labor displacement. This may happen in a sped up way, in which case we'll need, whenever there's like tremendous labor displacement in a short period of time, which there may be in the circumstance, then you need to make sure that systems are in place to take care of people through those moments of extreme disruption. I think like where I, have a lot of faith that the, that long term, there will be big shifts in labor, but there won't, I am not like a subscriber to there being permanent losers and irrevocable losers, unless that is the society that we choose to build. I think like there may be a very difficult moment where there's an accelerated kind of labor displacement, in which case we need to be ready to meet that moment as a society. But I think it's a moment that we've met before and that changing labor landscapes is not like a new human problem. Yeah, that might actually tie back into the original slop question in an interesting way. But maybe one more beat on just kind of some practical product stuff, because I did want to ask about something that I think is increasingly common and is like quite prominent actually in the Descript experience today, which is there are individual button clicks and certainly like individual prompts that I can give to Underlord that will spend a few dollars worth of credits for me in kind of 1 go. And that's a weird new world for software, right? Where it used to be just like click and do whatever you want. And now you're a few clicks in and you might be, you know, through your monthly token budget. How do you guys think about designing for that new cost paradigm? I think it's a temporary cost paradigm myself. So first of all, what I'd say is I actually like personally as a consumer, hate the concept of feeling like pressing a button is going to cost me a dollar, even though like, actually, if you do a good job on creating my clips, that's a pretty damn good deal because that used to take me a lot of time. Sure, I'd love to pay a dollar to get someone to do my clips. But I'll just say, as a consumer, I don't feel great about that experience, which is why when we, but AI costs Descript money, right? This stuff costs us money, so it can't be free and unlimited. So the way that we try to create pricing for Descript is like, we are going to make it so that hobbyists can make like one really good thing a month. and that creators can make one really good thing a week, and that businesses can have teams of people that are making multiple good things a week. And then it's like, well, what kind of things? Well, those things really are very different for different people. The reason why it kind of has to be a shared pool of AI credits is we used to say like, oh, like every creator gets this much AI speech and this much filler word removal and this many clip things. And it's like, but if I'm a podcaster, I may never need AI speech and I need clips every single week, multiple times a week. So that's not a good deal for me. So we wanted to have kind of like a budget you can spend across any kind of AI job. And we went and we looked across all of our main use cases and we're like, is this enough credits for like someone who's making one podcast a month or making one, you know, long form YouTube video a month or something like that for a hobbyist. And for a creator, one thing a week. Now you're making, how many did you say a week, two a week?…

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