Evidence receipt / uncertainty
Published · transcript-backedHilary Gridley: uncertainty
15 Jun 2025 Lenny's Podcast How to build a team that can “take a punch”: A playbook for building resilient, high-performing teams | Hilary Gridley (Head of Core Product, Whoop)
“I think that that's why it's so hard to talk about these things in absolutes, because sometimes you're right, and sometimes you're not right.”
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- 15 Jun 2025
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…This reminds me, there's a PM leader at Airbnb, who ended up leading a new initiative, and they ended up doing a bunch of stupid stuff. And he's like, "I'm realizing that it's me that needs to be pushing back on stuff, now that I'm in charge of this product team. I'm the person that needs to convince the CEO this is a bad idea." And I am just realizing, that after doing a bunch of stuff, that it was stupid. You will see that idea is that you do have an obligation to try to convince them that it's a bad idea. And you're going to be right sometimes, and you're not going to be right every time. I think that that's why it's so hard to talk about these things in absolutes, because sometimes you're right, and sometimes you're not right. And it is important to get really good at knowing the difference, and knowing where you go from there. This episode is brought to you by Attio, the AI native CRM. Attio is built to scale with your business from day one. Connect your e-mail and calendar, and Attio instantly builds a CRM that matches your business model, with all of your company's contacts and interactions, enriched with actionable insights. Sync in your product's usage, billing info, or any other data sources and Attio's flexible data model will handle it all, without any rigid templates or workarounds. With Attio, AI isn't just a feature, it's the foundation. You can do things like instantly prospect and route leads with research agents, get real-time insights from AI, using customer conversations, and build powerful AI automations for your most complex workflows. Industry leaders like flatfile, Replicate, and Modal are already experiencing what's next for CRM. Go to attio.com/lenny to get 15% off your year. That's attio.com/lenny. I want to move on to another skill you really get at, but first of all, something I noted, that I wanted to touch on real quick. You mentioned that WHOOP now does VO2 Max, and this is not a promotion for WHOOP, but that's so cool. That's a huge thing to track, that this is the thing that Peter Thiel and all these guys are always saying, "This is the thing you want to track, to understand your health and progress as your VO2 Max. It's like your blood oxygen level." I don't know exactly what it's, but that's cool. The new WHOOP lets you do that.…
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