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Hamel Husain: evaluation

25 Sept 2025 Lenny's Podcast Why AI evals are the hottest new skill for product builders | Hamel Husain & Shreya Shankar (creators of the #1 eval course)

“" I'm like, "Yeah, let's look at it right now." They're surprised that I am going to go look at individual traces, and it always 100% of the time learn a lot and figure out what the problem is.”

— Hamel Husain

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Hamel Husain
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Claim type
evaluation
Recorded
25 Sept 2025
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

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…Shoot, many humans are still great. I think that's great news. The second one that I see a lot is, "Hey, just not looking at the data." In my consulting, people come to me with problems all the time, and the first thing I'll say is, "Let's go look at your traces." You can see their eyes pop open and be like, "What do you mean? " I'm like, "Yeah, let's look at it right now." They're surprised that I am going to go look at individual traces, and it always 100% of the time learn a lot and figure out what the problem is. I think people just don't know how powerful looking at the data is like we showed on this podcast. I would agree with that.…

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