Nathan Labenz: belief

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…Thank you. Great to be here. I'm looking forward to the conversation. It's an interesting moment, and I appreciate you for taking on the challenge of understanding AI and trying to make a contribution to it as we get closer to some sort of, you know, something, some sort of pivotal moment in history. I think we can all kinda feel that that's coming, and I, I definitely wanna get your, um, of course, your perspective on exactly what that is and what we should be doing about it. I thought for starters it would be fun maybe to just get a little lore. Regular listeners know that I have kind of a weird Forrest Gump of AI sort of history where I seem to keep appearing as an extra in these various important scenes in AI history, and you got a little bit of that yourself, including some intersections with one Geoffrey Hinton s- some years ago and Eliezer some years ago. I'd be interested to hear what impressions you had of these people that have gone on to be such prominent voices when you first met them. You know, kinda how sci-fi were they and, and how did you react to what you heard from them all these years ago now? Yeah, I think I'm more of a Zelig than a Forrest Gump. I mean, didn't... In, in the movie Zelig, I think he just is a bystander. It's like I d- I have not participated in, in any great breakthroughs. I am not a co-author in the emergent misalignment paper, Nathan. I think one of us is, but it's definitely not me. We-…

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