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Annie Jacobsen: belief

6 Aug 2025 Conversations with Tyler Annie Jacobsen on Nuclear War, Intelligence Operations, and Conspiracy Realities

“I think sometimes, when you say that’s a conspiracy theory, it sounds so finger-pointing to me.”

— Annie Jacobsen

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Speaker
Annie Jacobsen
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belief
Recorded
6 Aug 2025
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Conversations with Tyler

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…I think the COVID vaccine was held up by the pharma companies to help Biden’s chances of winning the election. I used to be 50/50 on single gunman for Kennedy. Now, I think it was a single gunman with the new document dump. I think there’s more cheating related to sports betting than people think. That’s a kind of weak conspiracy theory. That’s about my whole list. I don’t think there are many more. I do think Epstein killed himself. Even Dan Bongino said so recently. I’m so interested in the way people think and their belief systems. I spend so much time interviewing people at the very center of these issues which you would call conspiracies. I suppose I have a different definition of it, per se. I’ll just give you an example, so I’m specific and not vague. When I was writing Area 51, I interviewed the first director of the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology. His name was Dr. Bud Wheelon. He had his finger on everything that you might call a conspiracy. Meaning he was in the basement with Dulles. He was one of the five people that was brought down there after JFK was killed. Dr. Wheelon was the originator of the Corona Satellite Program. Science and Technology was just coming online at the CIA in the ’60s when he was there. He was also the mayor of Area 51 by his own definition. I report on actual stories based on interviews of high-ranking officials about the landscape around what you have suggested is conspiracy, like that people love to think about JFK, aliens at Roswell. I put those in quotes on the record for people to contemplate. Operation Paperclip, another case in point — so many of what you would call conspiracies around that. I tend to be someone who doesn’t. I think sometimes, when you say that’s a conspiracy theory, it sounds so finger-pointing to me. I don’t mean it in a negative way. There’re plenty of other countries that have a lot of conspiracies, right?…

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