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19 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Satya Nadella — Microsoft’s AGI plan & quantum breakthrough
“I need a smarter thing than a chat interface to manage all the agents and their dialogue. That's why I think of this Copilot, as the UI for AI, is a big, big deal.”
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- Satya Nadella
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- 19 Feb 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…Can I ask you just briefly about that analogy? One of the things Lean did is physically transform what a factory floor looks like. It revealed bottlenecks that people didn't realize until you're really paying attention to the processes and workflows. You mentioned briefly what your own workflow—how your own workflow has changed as a result of AIs. I'm curious if we can add more color to what will it be like to run a big company when you have these AI agents that are getting smarter and smarter over time? It's interesting you ask that. I was thinking, for example, today if I look at it, we are very email heavy. I get in in the morning, and I’m like, man my inbox is full, and I'm responding, and so I can't wait for some of these Copilot agents to automatically populate my drafts so that I can start reviewing and sending. But I already have in Copilot at least ten agents, which I query them different things for different tasks. I feel like there's a new inbox that's going to get created, which is my millions of agents that I'm working with will have to invoke some exceptions to me, notifications to me, ask for instructions. So at least what I'm thinking is that there's a new scaffolding, which is the agent manager. It's not just a chat interface. I need a smarter thing than a chat interface to manage all the agents and their dialogue. That's why I think of this Copilot, as the UI for AI, is a big, big deal. Each of us is going to have it. So basically, think of it as: there is knowledge work, and there's a knowledge worker. The knowledge work may be done by many, many agents, but you still have a knowledge worker who is dealing with all the knowledge workers. And that, I think, is the interface that one has to build. You're one of the few people in the world who can say that you have access to 200,000… you have this swarm of intelligence around you in the form of Microsoft the company and all its employees. And you have to manage that, and you have to interface with that, how to make best use of that. Hopefully, more of the world will get to have that experience in the future. I'd be curious about how your inbox, if that means everybody's inbox, will look like yours in the morning. Okay, before we get to that, I want to keep asking you more about AI, but I really want to ask you about the big breakthrough in quantum that Microsoft Research has announced. So can you explain what's going on?…
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