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Janna Bastow: evaluation

16 Oct 2022 Lenny's Podcast Building better product roadmaps | Janna Bastow (Mind the Product, ProdPad)

“I mean I think that right there showed everybody else that they could go up on the little ProductCamp stages that day and go do their own talks.”

— Janna Bastow

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Janna Bastow
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evaluation
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16 Oct 2022
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Lenny's Podcast

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…That's such a great story and it's a good example of people have this fear of the worst case scenario. Everything's going to fall apart. They're going to be seen as idiots, they don't know what they're doing. It's all going to be revealed on stage, because you screw up in how you're talking. And the worst case scenario never happens, in my experience. And two,, if it does, just do exactly what you said, just try to start again. It's easy to say, hard to do. This isn't a conscious thing that people can get over. It's like your body's just doing crazy shit and you're so nervous sometimes and can't just rationalize it to like, "Nah, it'll be fine." But, yeah, it's fine. To your point, people want you to be awesome and succeed. They're not there to like, "Ha, ha, you stopped. You screwed up." And it's humanizing when you screw up, right? People don't like people who are perfectly perfect and don't mess up, and it makes them feel like they can't go up and go do their talk. I mean I think that right there showed everybody else that they could go up on the little ProductCamp stages that day and go do their own talks. And they certainly wouldn't be any worse than that. As long as I just remembered their name, they'd be fine. Crack on, they got it. Speaking of screwing up, you have some very spicy takes on roadmap and roadmaps.…

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