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Jonny Steinberg: evaluation

28 Oct 2025 Conversations with Tyler Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era

“The only situation in which they’re comfortable is a situation in which they’ve been called, and that’s usually domestic violence because they walk into a scene because they’ve been asked to be there, and that gives them authority.”

— Jonny Steinberg

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Jonny Steinberg
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28 Oct 2025
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Conversations with Tyler

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…What was the most surprising thing you learned? Well, exactly that the police try not to police because they are afraid of people, and they essentially gravitate to situations in which they’re comfortable. The only situation in which they’re comfortable is a situation in which they’ve been called, and that’s usually domestic violence because they walk into a scene because they’ve been asked to be there, and that gives them authority. This is hardly a new thought, but what comes to me is that policing happens by consent or it doesn’t happen. They don’t enter crowds because those crowds don’t want them and don’t consent for them to be there, and so they’re not. And so, a relationship between police and a public is driven by whether a public wants them there. I know you did your field work some while ago, but do you have a sense of circa 2025 how willing people are to be policed in South Africa?…

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