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Jonny Steinberg: belief

28 Oct 2025 Conversations with Tyler Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era

“I think I remember him once saying that in South Africa, you’ll stop your car at a traffic light, and you’re watching a small-scale civil war around you, and that’s interesting.”

— Jonny Steinberg

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Speaker
Jonny Steinberg
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Claim type
belief
Recorded
28 Oct 2025
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

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…Why does William Kentridge still live in Johannesburg? Indeed, in his childhood home, I hear. I have absolutely no idea. [laughs] I just read what he writes and says about it, which is that he wants to live somewhere very interesting, somewhere fluid. I think I remember him once saying that in South Africa, you’ll stop your car at a traffic light, and you’re watching a small-scale civil war around you, and that’s interesting. And you’ve thought of moving back but decided not to?…

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