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Diane Penn: belief

26 Jul 2026 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn

“I think our goal is to not have that happen for the general purpose, general use technologies and to make it more accessible.”

— Diane Penn

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Diane Penn
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belief
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26 Jul 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…What's really interesting and just unexpected here is it creates this really interesting advantage for Anthropic where you have access to the latest stuff. And this is going to happen at every lab. Everyone's going to keep improving and it creates this unfair advantage within the Labs to have access to the best stuff that other people can't yet outside of your control. You'd prefer everyone use it. So it's a really interesting, this new feedback loop that's going to start where models that are so advanced are only accessible to certain companies, and that's going to be a whole new unexpected, it's like a second order effect of all these restrictions. Our goal is to be to develop these systems in the models to be as inclusive as possible. I think our goal is to not have that happen for the general purpose, general use technologies and to make it more accessible. I think this is one of our top priorities right now to reduce what we're seeing there. Yeah, that makes sense. I would imagine you'd want as many customers if people are using this thing as possible. This episode is brought to you by Mercury, radically different banking, loved by over 300,000 entrepreneurs, and now with Command. I've been a customer of Mercury's for over six years. I have never once though about leaving. Mercury is basically what happens when banking is built by product people, not by bankers. They make it so easy. Dare I say fun to send invoices, move money around, set up virtual cards for folks on my team. Does your bank have an API, a terminal native CLI, or an AI-ready MCP server? I don't think so. And just recently, they launched Command, a conversational interface built directly into Mercury, which acts as your financial operator. I've been using Command to transfer money around, to figure out what categories I've been spending the most money in, analyze my cash flows, and just today I used it to find out how much I've made from a specific sponsor over the past year. I just ask, "How much have I made from X over the past year?" 10 seconds later, I have an answer. It is so freaking cool. Visit mercury.com to learn more and apply online in minutes. Mercury is a FinTech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group and Column N.A., Members FDIC. I want to talk a little bit about how the product role is changing and who is doing well in this new world now that AI is such a core part of our life. When you're hiring PMs, product people, when you're looking at people that do well in today's world, what are some things that you notice? What are you looking for more most? What are you looking for more? What's trending up in what you find is important and what's trending down?…

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