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Diane Penn: evaluation

26 Jul 2026 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn

“And my grandfather always says, no matter how far you go, there's always another level, which is, I think, a really good way, though a pretty intense way of describing his life philosophy.”

— Diane Penn

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Diane Penn
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evaluation
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26 Jul 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Oh, wow. And my grandfather always says, no matter how far you go, there's always another level, which is, I think, a really good way, though a pretty intense way of describing his life philosophy. But I go back to that whenever there's something new or unprecedented that we experience. And I think first half of this year, there was definitely a lot of that. There was a lot of new things that we were learning, I was learning. So just feeling like there's always another mountain, another opportunity to come. Not good enough, Diane. We need to go better. We need to go bigger. Makes me think about, actually, another Ben Mann line from his podcast episode, that this is the most normal it's ever going to be. It's only going to get weirder and crazier.…

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