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Shadi Bartsch: belief

21 Apr 2021 Conversations with Tyler Shadi Bartsch on the Classics and China

“Sparta wants to squash Athens. They think that the West is very much invested in making sure that China does not become a global power on a par with the West, which I think is inevitable.”

— Shadi Bartsch

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Speaker
Shadi Bartsch
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Claim type
belief
Recorded
21 Apr 2021
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

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…The Chinese intellectuals you study — what do they think of what we call the Thucydides Trap? That conflict between America and China, at least in some views, is inevitable. They’ve talked about it. They see themselves as the aggressed against in that. Oddly, they see themselves as — let’s see, I better not confuse this — I think they think of themselves as Athens, and they see the US as Sparta. Sparta is getting anxious because Athens is getting stronger. What does Sparta want to do? Sparta wants to squash Athens. They think that the West is very much invested in making sure that China does not become a global power on a par with the West, which I think is inevitable. Of course, that’s going to happen. What is it from antiquity that you think the Chinese value more highly than we do as, say, Americans or Westerners?…

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