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7 Dec 2025 Lenny's Podcast The 100-person AI lab that became Anthropic and Google's secret weapon | Edwin Chen (Surge AI)

“Like labeling cat photos and drawing bounding box around cars. And so I've actually always hated the word data labeling because it just paints this very simplistic picture when I think what we're doing is completely different.”

— Edwin Chen

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Edwin Chen
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7 Dec 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…And that is such an amazing place to end. I feel like this is exactly what founders need to hear, and I think this conversation's going to inspire a lot of founders, and especially a lot of founders that want to do things in a different way. Before we get to a very exciting lightning round, is there anything else you wanted to share? Anything else you want to leave our listeners with? We covered a lot of ground, it's totally okay to say no as well. I think the thing I would end with is I think a lot of people think of data labeling as it relates to simplistic work. Like labeling cat photos and drawing bounding box around cars. And so I've actually always hated the word data labeling because it just paints this very simplistic picture when I think what we're doing is completely different. I think a lot about what we're doing as a lot more like raising a child. You don't just feed a child information. You're teaching them values, and creativity, and what's beautiful, and these infinite subtle things about what makes somebody a good person. And that's what we're doing for AI. So yeah, I just often think about what we're doing as almost like the future of humanity or how we're raising humanity's children, so I'll leave it at that. Wow. I love just how much philosophy there is in this whole conversation that I was not expecting. With that, Edwin, we've reached our very exciting lightning round, I've got five questions for you. Are you ready?…

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