Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedIlya Sutskever: belief
25 Nov 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Ilya Sutskever — We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research
“I think there’s a lot of merit because it’s very nice to not be affected by the day-to-day market competition.”
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- Speaker
- Ilya Sutskever
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- Claim type
- belief
- Recorded
- 25 Nov 2025
- Publisher
- Dwarkesh Podcast
Transcript context
…Is SSI’s plan still to straight shot superintelligence? Maybe. I think that there is merit to it. I think there’s a lot of merit because it’s very nice to not be affected by the day-to-day market competition. But I think there are two reasons that may cause us to change the plan. One is pragmatic, if timelines turned out to be long, which they might. Second, I think there is a lot of value in the best and most powerful AI being out there impacting the world. I think this is a meaningfully valuable thing. So then why is your default plan to straight shot superintelligence? Because it sounds like OpenAI, Anthropic, all these other companies, their explicit thinking is, “Look, we have weaker and weaker intelligences that the public can get used to and prepare for.” Why is it potentially better to build a superintelligence directly?…
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