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Annie Jacobsen: belief

6 Aug 2025 Conversations with Tyler Annie Jacobsen on Nuclear War, Intelligence Operations, and Conspiracy Realities

“” I’ve met a lot of experts in my day, and I’ve met many people whose wisdom outperforms — and again, just in my opinion — their expertise.”

— Annie Jacobsen

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Speaker
Annie Jacobsen
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belief
Recorded
6 Aug 2025
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

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…If I think about the experts in the immediate post-World War II period, there’s John von Neumann, there’s Herman Kahn. It seems they got most things wrong, so maybe they thought there’d be another world war or nuclear war quite soon, or they might have favored a first strike on the Soviet Union. We almost did a first strike against China. Isn’t that an example of how expertise can just lead us to go badly wrong? And this more common-sense approach — maybe we had it with Ronald Reagan, and we actually do better with that. Oh boy. It depends how you define expert, I suppose. I think of wisdom more than I think of “expertise. ” I’ve met a lot of experts in my day, and I’ve met many people whose wisdom outperforms — and again, just in my opinion — their expertise. Which doesn’t mean you throw out the opinions of the so-called experts, but no one has a crystal ball and can predict anything. Boy, we could have such an interesting discussion about all of these Cold War thinkers, from Herman Kahn on down. You yourself were, if I’m not mistaken, a student of the fascinating Thomas Schelling. Of course.…

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