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Demis Hassabis: belief

28 Feb 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Demis Hassabis — Scaling, superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, AlphaFold

“I would say that’s still not a perfectly understood mapping, but it’s an interesting one that we’re getting better and better at.”

— Demis Hassabis

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Speaker
Demis Hassabis
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belief
Recorded
28 Feb 2024
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…What was the biggest surprise to you during the development of Gemini in terms of something like this happening? I wouldn’t say there was one big surprise. It was very interesting trying to train things at that size and learning about all sorts of things from an organizational standpoint, like how to babysit such a system and to track it. There’s also things like getting a better understanding of the metrics you’re optimizing versus the final capabilities that you want. I would say that’s still not a perfectly understood mapping, but it’s an interesting one that we’re getting better and better at. There’s a perception that maybe other labs are more compute-efficient than DeepMind has been with Gemini. I don’t know what you make of that perception.…

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