Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedJeff Dean: belief
12 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer — 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI
“" I think that's a good thing because sometimes people get excited about that and want to start working with you on one or more of them.”
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- Jeff Dean
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- belief
- Recorded
- 12 Feb 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…Yeah, it was like basically everyone had one credit and you could pool them. Gemini has been mostly top-down, which has been very good in some sense because it has led to a lot more collaboration and people working together. You less often have five groups of people all building the same thing or building interchangeable things. But on the other hand, it does lead to some incentive to say, "Hey, what I'm doing is working great." And then, as a lead, you hear hundreds of groups, and everything is, "So you should give them more chips." There's less of an incentive to say, "Hey, what I'm doing is not actually working that well. Let me try something different." So I think going forward, we're going to have some amount of top-down, some amount of bottom-up, so as to incentivize both of these behaviors: collaboration and flexibility. I think both those things lead to a lot of innovation. I think it's also good to articulate interesting directions you think we should go. I have an internal slide deck called "Go, Jeff, Wacky Ideas." I think those are a little bit more product-oriented things, like, "Hey, I think now that we have these capabilities, we could do these 17 things. " I think that's a good thing because sometimes people get excited about that and want to start working with you on one or more of them. And I think that's a good way to bootstrap where we should go without necessarily ordering people, "We must go here." Alright, this was great.…
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