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27 Jul 2023 Lenny's Podcast The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
“You figure out how you can help Microsoft." And I said, "I'm going to build an experimentation platform," because nobody at Microsoft is running experiments.”
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- Ronny Kohavi
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- 27 Jul 2023
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…But nobody ever thinks it's going to fail. They think, "No, we got this. We've talked to so many people." But I think organizations that start to run experiments are humbled early on from the smaller changes. Right? You're right. I'll tell you a funny story. When I came from Amazon to Microsoft, I joined the group, and for one reason or another, that group disbanded a month after I joined. And so people came to me and said, "Look, you just joined the company. You're at partner level. You figure out how you can help Microsoft." And I said, "I'm going to build an experimentation platform," because nobody at Microsoft is running experiments. And more than 50% of ideas in Amazon that we tried failed. And the classical response was, "We have better PMs here." Right? There was this complete denial that it's possible that 50% of ideas that Microsoft is implementing, in a three-year development cycle by the way. This is how long it took Office to release. It was a classical every three years we release. And the data came about showing that Bing was the first to truly implement experimentation at scale. And we shared with the rest of the companies the surprising results. And so when Office was... And this was credit to Qi Lu and Satya Nadella, they were ones that says, "Ronny, you try to get Office to run experiments. We'll give you the air support." And it was hard, but we did it. It took a while, but Office started to run experiments, and they realized that many of their ideas are failing. You said that there's a site of a failed redesigns. Is that in your book or is that a site that you can point people to, to help build this case?…
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