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Sherwin Wu: evaluation

12 Feb 2026 Lenny's Podcast “Engineers are becoming sorcerers” | The future of software development with OpenAI’s Sherwin Wu

“There's also, I think, some engineers who I think trust Codex a little bit less, but basically every day I talk to someone who is blown away by something that I can do and their bar of trust or how much they trust the model to do on its own goes up over and over, over time.”

— Sherwin Wu

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Sherwin Wu
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12 Feb 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…It's crazy that that's almost not crazy anymore, that we're just getting used to this. I think there's still some getting used to, to be clear. There's also, I think, some engineers who I think trust Codex a little bit less, but basically every day I talk to someone who is blown away by something that I can do and their bar of trust or how much they trust the model to do on its own goes up over and over, over time. And there's a quote from Kevin Weil, our VP of science here, and he likes saying, "This is the worst the models will ever be." And so this is the worst that the models will ever be for software engineering as well. And so over time, you just see people trusting it more and more, and then we'll see the models get better and better as well. Yeah. Kevin Weil, former podcast guest. He said exactly that line on this podcast a few times.…

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