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12 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer — 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

“I do think distillation is a really useful tool because it enables you to transform a model in its current model architecture form into a different form.”

— Jeff Dean

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Jeff Dean
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12 Feb 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Okay, so a couple of questions. One, suppose Noam makes another breakthrough, and now we've got a better architecture. Would you just take each compartment and distill it into this better architecture? And that's how it keeps improving over time? I do think distillation is a really useful tool because it enables you to transform a model in its current model architecture form into a different form. Often, you use it to take a really capable but large and unwieldy model and distill it into a smaller one that maybe you want to serve with really good, fast latency inference characteristics. But I think you can also view this as something that's happening at the module level. Maybe there'd be a continual process where you have each module, and it has a few different representations of itself. It has a really big one. It's got a much smaller one that is continually distilling into the small version. And then the small version, once that's finished, you sort of delete the big one and you add a bunch more parameter capacity. Now, start to learn all the things that the distilled small one doesn't know by training it on more data, and then you kind of repeat that process. If you have that kind of running a thousand different places in your modular model in the background, that seems like it would work reasonably well. Yeah, I'm with you. Early days were super fun. Part of that is just knowing everybody and the social aspect, and the fact that you're just building something that millions and millions of people are using. Same thing today. We got that whole nice micro kitchen area where you get lots of people hanging out. I love being in person, working with a bunch of great people, and building something that's helping millions to billions of people. What could be better?…

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