Evidence receipt / evaluation
Published · transcript-backedLenny Rachitsky: evaluation
9 Jun 2022 Lenny's Podcast April Dunford on product positioning, segmentation, and optimizing your sales process
“Like if you basically, if you were looking for a vice president of marketing and I came into the interview, like the reason you hired me is because your positioning was crappy and I could talk intelligently about how we were going to fix that.”
Source trail
Everything needed to verify it.
- Speaker
- Lenny Rachitsky
- Attribution
- Verified speaker
- Claim type
- evaluation
- Recorded
- 9 Jun 2022
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
Transcript context
…Of course. I was also going to say that your guest post on positioning on my newsletter is still in the top 20 most popular all-time posts. I keep coming back to it. People keep telling me how useful it is. I keep sending it to founders. And so I'm just excited to dive a lot deeper on this topic. Cool. All right, let's do it. So for listeners who maybe aren't super familiar with your background and how you came to be such an expert on positioning, could you just kind of briefly share your journey to what you do today? Yeah, sure. So my background is I didn't study marketing in school. I studied engineering straight out of engineering school. I got a job, a product marketing job at a startup. And I've been doing this a long time. So this was back when startups weren't even cool. And we just called them small companies. Yeah. So I got a job at a little company and then that company, I was assigned to a product that was kind of a loser and we weren't selling very much. We ended up repositioning it and the thing took off. It got hugely successful. That company got acquired, my boss quit and they made me the vice president of marketing. I still have no idea why. And then I decided, well, this is my jam. This is what I do now. And in particular, we had a handful of products there. The positioning also seemed kind of weak. And so I kind of embarked on this journey of like, hey, like positioning seems to be really important because when we get it wrong, everything sucks. And when we get it right, we all make all kinds of money. So I should figure out how to do this properly. And so... I read a bunch of books, took a bunch of courses. And what I discovered is that positioning is this foundational marketing concept, but we didn't really have a methodology for doing it. And so from that point forward, I became kind of a repeat vice president of marketing at a series of startups. So I think I did seven and six of those got acquired. So I repositioned a lot of products across that and positioning became sort of my specialty. Like if you basically, if you were looking for a vice president of marketing and I came into the interview, like the reason you hired me is because your positioning was crappy and I could talk intelligently about how we were going to fix that. And then about five, six years ago, I decided I wanted to go do something different. And so I made the switch to consulting. And now that's all I do. So I basically do positioning. Even more specifically, though, I really focused on, I only do tech companies. I only do B2B companies because my background is all really B2B and I don't really get consumer. And mainly I work with startups. For the most part, it's what I would call a growth stage startup, like kind of post series A, series B. But occasionally I do some really, really big companies that have weird positioning stuff going on. Like they've acquired a bunch of things and they're trying to turn it into a business unit or something. And there's no story around that. But yeah, so that's how I got here. Awesome. To set a little color, I guess, how many companies have you worked with at this point and helped with positioning?…
Stored transcript either side of the excerpt. The highlighted words are the published quote; the surrounding text is unedited source, never generated.