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Shawn Wang: uncertainty

1 Feb 2025 Latent Space The Agent Reasoning Interface: o1/o3, Claude 3, ChatGPT Canvas, Tasks, and Operator — with Karina Nguyen of OpenAI

“I don't know how big the prompt distribution needs to be because you are literally catering to everyone.”

— Shawn Wang

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Shawn Wang
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1 Feb 2025
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Latent Space

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…What are the evals? Yeah. So the way I'm thinking about it is like have two various directions. The first direction is like, how do you improve the quality of the writing of the current use cases of Chachi PD? And those, most of the use cases are mostly like nonfiction writings. It's like email writing or like some of the, maybe you've blog posts, cover letters is like one. I don't mean use cases, but then the second one is like, how do we teach the model to literally think more creatively or like write in a more creative manner such that it will like just create novel forms writing. And I think the second one is like much of a longer term, like research question. While the first one is more like, okay, we just need to improve data quality for the writing use cases that between the models are. It is more straightforward question. Okay. But the way we evaluated the writing quality, so actually I worked with Jan's team on the model design. So they had a team of like model writers and we would work together and it's just like a human eval. It's like internal human eval where we would just like that. Yeah. On the prompt distribution that we cared about, like we want to make sure that the models that we like use, that we trained were always like better or something. Yeah. So like some test set of like a hundred prompts that you want to make sure you're good on. I don't know. I don't know how big the prompt distribution needs to be because you are literally catering to everyone. Right. Yeah. I think it was much more opinionated way of like improving writing quality because we worked together with like model designers to like come up with like core principles of what makes this particular writing good. Like what does make email writing good? And we had to like craft like some of the literally like rubric on like what makes it good and then make sure during the eval, we check the marks on this like rubric. Yeah.…

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