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Dwarkesh Patel: belief

25 Nov 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Ilya Sutskever — We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

“How do we elicit meaningful diversity among AIs? I think just raising the temperature just results in gibberish.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Patel
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belief
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25 Nov 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Maybe the datasets are not as non-overlapping as it seems. But there’s some sense in which even if an individual human might be less productive than the future AI, maybe there’s something to the fact that human teams have more diversity than teams of AIs might have. How do we elicit meaningful diversity among AIs? I think just raising the temperature just results in gibberish. You want something more like different scientists have different prejudices or different ideas. How do you get that kind of diversity among AI agents? So the reason there has been no diversity, I believe, is because of pre-training. All the pre-trained models are pretty much the same because they pre-train on the same data. Now RL and post-training is where some differentiation starts to emerge because different people come up with different RL training.…

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