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Alistair Pullen: preference

22 Aug 2024 Latent Space Is finetuning GPT4o worth it? — with Alistair Pullen, Cosine (Genie)

“I like our approach because we can be super agile and be like, Oh, well, Anthropic have just released whatever, uh, you know, and it might have half a million tokens and it might be really smart.”

— Alistair Pullen

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Alistair Pullen
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preference
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22 Aug 2024
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Latent Space

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…One weird trick. Yes. I'll briefly comment here. So this is the standard approach I would say most, uh, code tooling startups are pursuing. The one company that's not doing this is magic. dev. So would you do things differently if you have a 10 million token context window? If I had a 10 million context window and hundreds of millions of dollars, I wouldn't have gone and built, uh, it's an LTM, it's not a transformer, right, that they're using, right? If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's not a transformer. Yeah, Eric's going to come on at some point. Listen, they obviously know a lot more about their product than I do. I don't know a great deal about how magic works. I don't think he knows anything yet. I'm not going to speculate. Would I do it the same way as them? I like the way we've done it because fundamentally like we focus on the Active software engineering and what that looks like and showing models how to do that. Fundamentally, the underlying model that we use is kind of null to us, like, so long as it's the best one, I don't mind. And the context windows, we've already seen, like, you can get transformers to have, like, million, one and a half million token context windows. And that works perfectly well, so like, as soon as you can fine tune Gemini 1. 5, then you best be sure that Genie will run on Gemini 1. 5, and like, we'll probably get very good performance out of that. I like our approach because we can be super agile and be like, Oh, well, Anthropic have just released whatever, uh, you know, and it might have half a million tokens and it might be really smart. And I can just immediately take my JSONL file and just dump it in there and suddenly Genie works on there and it can do all the new things. Does Anthropic have the same fine tuning support as OpenAI? I…

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